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ugh..am i the only one?
Im so sick of all the fans that get pissed about everything the band does! Backtracks was amazing! we get 2 CD's of REMASTERED live and studio b-sides! yet people complain because "they already have it and its not rare" Also with the Iron Man 2 Thing! So what! They dont have to release a new album every single year! I think its awesome what there doing. and last but not least! THE SETLIST! yeah maybe they should add a few songs to the set but who cares! i personally saw them in Chicago a little over a year ago and it kicked ass! am i the only one that appreciates what the band does??? .... anyone else agree with me?
Backtracks circa 1989 or even 1997 - before the Internet broke the recording industry way open and made all bootlegs available for the cost of a monthly ISP subscription - awesome, amazing, kickass! Backtracks after 10-15 years of the Interwebs - too little, too late, not to mention badly planned and marketed.
i know........backtracks introduces stuff that the hardcore fans know to the people who dont really know alot about the band...i think its great because it has all remastered songs. I personally support the band in everything they do... RnRDamnation , obviously you are disappointed with the set list and hate backtracks.........im curious what are all the things you would like to see the band do right now?
theres only one thing I would change......i dont really like the guitar tone on this tour =D
Well, I don't hate Backtracks. It's just irrelevant after years of the Interwebs. The tracks themselves are just fine. As a collection of B-sides, though, it's somewhat incomplete and the inclusion of the Australian versions of some tracks doesn't make a lot of sense. You are right that if everything was remastered, it would sound pretty awesome, although I don't hear any noticeable difference between the Hell Ain't A Bad Place to Be of the Highway to Hell single I bought in 1991 and the Backtracks box. With that in mind, maybe not a whole lot of remastering actually happened. As for the setlist, I've said more than enough on the subject and if you really want to know how I (or anybody else on the site) feels about the subject, I invite you to go through the forum of the last year and see my suggestions. It seems the band is kinda sorta paying attention, as they have now considered playing Back in Black in its entirety (they do claim to be an album band, after all). Hopefully they can follow this experiment with complete renderings of Highway to Hell and the rest of the Bon Scott albums, along with digging up a few more of the awesome tracks they recorded with Brian in the 80s (ie - good chunks of FOTS and FOTW).
LiveWire you are NOT the only one, I'm right there with you! The way I see it, can never have too much AC/DC no matter what it is.
I am so grateful of anything AC does. How much do they have to do keep people happy ??
yeah i dont find it too pleasant either, Backtracks in gerneral, in fairness yeah it was all shit weve killed before but it was nice to hear it on actual cd quality for once, and the dvds need no backup IMO, the bonus videos were very pleasing to have, especially the alt. version of its a long way to the top, and the circus krone was a treat, and i was tickled to death to see that they were doing the Iron Man soundtrack, and yeah the setlist, it is basically whatever, yeah it sucks of how consistant it is, but the three shows i went to were just amazing
So by that token, a band who ive followed since i first saw and heard em in 79 are sacrosanct and immune from criticism? Well thats 1 .O.V. i disagree with, I love my wife and son dearly but believe me when they need a bollocking they get it, i,e, I dont agree with everything they do,ergo, a rock band who start sucking on the corporate teat (however well, and admittedly,AC/DC are one of the best live bands out ther today),to the detriment of both their back catalogue and legacy,not to mention their fans, deserve to be told when what they are punting onto the marketplace is a LOAD OF WANK!! Backtracks?,take it or leave it,deluxe edition? Stick that right up yer arse,i need a friggin "real" amp like i need a lobotomy, and for that price,er no thanks Black Ice? Hmm well it is AC/DC,not theworst ive heard from them, not the best, would love to hear all the tracks left off it however (50+ supposedly recorded),no doubt thats the next album sorted then. Live? one of te best at what they do, but surely the world already has one touring jukebox in the Rolling Stones? choreographed to the max with every note rehearsed to within an inch of its life. Now I aint suggesting they go back to clubdates or anything like that, but it just seems that when you been around for 30+ yrs,you got the no1 selling Rock album ever,you get the RNR HOF, you got more awards than you cancount and your members are all ulti millionaires, well its easy to see how you can take the path of least resistance. Film tie-ins and subsequent royalties,rehashed back catalogue, tv royalties, House etc., the $£$£ just keeps coming. Dont get me wrong, I still love my DC,played most everyday,but I still defend my right to criticise,just as i defend your right to disagree with me. Essentially tho', perhaps having witnessed them in the late 70s and early 80s when they were hungry,ive been spoiled,but for me,now they are the best tired bloated version of AC/DC on the market,and their record company is doing them no favours,other than fiscally,at all. Im with Sapator and the other "die hards" as you christened us,Im saddened at the drop in overall quality of the AC/DC brand, not the gigs or the material or the available cds and merchandise, just the overall package. I guess for me, it just seems like a big souless money making machine nowadays,albeit a well oiled perfectly performing one. ah well,cest la vie i spose peace people dave
pls excuse typos i been up fer 37 hrs and im x eyed with lack of sleep
Hi all, I agree completely with Dave's words. Cheers & Good Rockin' Bernat.
well i dont want to turn this into an us and them scenario, after all were all here because of a love for AC/DC, but thank you Bernat,appreciate your post,I was starting to think I was ranting away like a madman there LOL
I don't think demanding quality (boxsets), variety (setlists) or value (both) is out of line considering the massive amounts of money the band has been asking us to pay for the pleasure of their company recently. I still love 'em and despite the stale setlist, they put on a pretty awesome show when I saw 'em last August. That being said, the pretty awesome show was lacking in spontaneity and danger and it becomes increasingly absurd for a band to demand we buy its "albums" when it doesn't even respect the majority of their "albums" enough to play anything more off of them than the singles (or, when it comes to the '83-'88 era, denying they ever happened at all)...
i do agree with the fact about all of the money...but hey thats how things are nowadays. Technology is a large part of society now. People buy things from the internet and stuff. Im thirteen and dont know a whole lot compared to other people who grew up in the 80's but i heard that tickets were cheap back then. Now there like 90 bucks a piece. i Honestly don't think its the bands fault though.
I'll love them forever,favorite band by far,but I disagree with them at certain times
i think after 2010 the band should keep releasing albums until they cant physically play anymore. After Black Ice they should just play smaller places like The House Of Blues and make appearances at festivals every once in a while.
I think they were great playing in smaller venues and clubs like Circus Krone,that was an awesome gig.They should do those more often,and festivals.Like the early days,and I know it's not gonna happen but release albums more often as well.Like one every 2 or 3 years until they decided they're done.Right now they're in great shape,so these next couple a years are their most important years to capture before they start sounding bad.Age affects them,as it does any band,but AC/DC should do what they can while they can still do it good. They're are still really really good live,probably another 10 years left in them.
You know if they just change 4-5 tracks from the setlist then i will probably end up,again, fighting RnRDamnation because he wants them to change all the songs every night :P And i will also reduce the negatives they get from me for all their commercial moves(boxset(my ass),Iron Fag..Err man,album(do not forget the 12 flavors-colors to choose from). I never said nothing about the ticket price, i'm not unrealistic. But the fact that the band has became mummified, doing the same stuff for almost 2 years now, it's really getting on my nerves. And i love them just us much as any fan of them but it's what Dave said.They cannot be immune to criticism.I know i'm a little more extreme as the next person but i'm Sapator,right ;)
no worry man im with you. anything acdc released im good with. rock on!!
Let's take each point one at a time: 1.) Backtracks: I have the deluxe 5-disc version and I love it. I've wanted them for some time to release all of their b-sides in one set remastered and they did. I got an awesome book, a cool amp, the Circus Krone DVD and the FJ3 DVD, a kick ass LTBR Tour Poster, some cool B&W photos of Bon, Malcolm and Angus, a vinyl of the studio b-sides, and a bunch of other stuff that made it more than worth it. Best early Yule present I ever got. 2.) Iron Man 2 Soundtrack: I'm happy for the band from a business perspective that they got this deal from both a financial and an exposure stance and the track listing is rather surprising, but I see no need to buy it when it comes out unless the DVD has some real awesome shit that I want to have. Rebuying the same remastered songs I have already on the remastered albums is pointless. I will say though that knowing now that AC/DC did the Iron Man 2 soundtrack, I will see it when it comes out. The first one sucked after about the first thirty minutes when Tony Stark stopped being a womanizing drunk and decided to save the world from war. Really, really, fuckin' gay there Tony. 3.) The Setlist: Considering that the band has always mixed it up in the past (which means going to the bread and butter era...the Bon era) I don't really think it's that big of a deal if they play a more "standard" set this time around. That doesn't mean that I wouldn't welcome a couple of new songs in the setlist, I just don't see much of a reason to get bent out of shape over it when the live show is amazing on this tour regardless of what they play. Also, I don't remember if it was here or in another post but some people mentioned that AC/DC have sold out on this tour...Are you people serious? What defines selling out in these peoples books must be different than what selling out means where I come from. Where I come from selling out is what bands like Metallica, MegaDeth and Anthrax did in the 90's when they went from Thrash to Alternative Rock just to sell more albums and bring in fairweather fans that didn't have the balls to handle albums like Peace Sells, Spreading the Disease and Kill'em All. In that sense AC/DC has never sold out and has always been true to the product they offer the world...Kick ass Rock and Roll.
"I personally support the band in everything they do..." ... and that says it all right there. AC/DC can shove their working amp boxset, three color album covers and stale setlist up your ass and you look back, smile and say "More please". AC/DC-can't-do-wrong fans like you are the reason they can justify all this shit. All I have to say other than that is that the AC/DC I know and love is not those characters touring the world at the moment. Twenty years ago, 90% of the BI songs wouldn't have made it onto an album, and the Iron Man soundtrack wouldn't have made it past the brainstorming stage.
As suicidehammer said, The band CAN get some criticism, and I say I don't agree with every little thing they do,the way you say it it's like Angus could fart in a bottle and label it RARE and you'd love it "but I'm just sayin" The band is great don't get me wrong,but they need to choose their projects a little better,think them through more,and surprise us just a bit more often. Black Ice isn't their strongest album that's for Damn sure but it's still a good album,but that's just it, a good album. Hoping it's follow up has a waaaay better producer than 'O Brian
The way i remember it, before the album, on another forum, was, me saying "I don't give a shit on the album,if it's good or bad.I just want to release it so i can see them live".What i was unaware of was that i would have gotten the same songs from SUL minus the surprise songs back then and plus many songs from the new album that are not half as good as anything they have done before.Also i never expected to see them play the same set for 2 years.
I never expected them to tour for two years! lol