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Complicated Light Show My Ass
As we all have heard, Brian said that apparently AC/DC's light show is far too complicated for the 70-80 people working with the lights for their to be more set list. Do you know what I say to this?: Bullshit! There are bands older than them who change their tour/show set lists's every/every other show. Aerosmith, The Rollling Stones, The Who, etc. etc. etc. Metal bands like Metallica, Megadeth, Slayer, Alice in Chains, hell even Alice Cooper with all the stuff he does live changes the set list. I know for a fact that Metallica and Alice Cooper have a hell of a lot more complicated light show then AC/DC yet Metallica changes the set list every night and Alice Cooper changes it pretty often. Tool changes their set list, not often, but on their last major tour they changed the set with their epically awesome light show. AC/DC's songs and light show aren't that complicated for a set change now and then, and since when did the fate of a show hang in the balance of the how pretty the lights are? Sure the light shows set the ambiance of a song but they aren't exactly critical for their to be a change of songs here and there. The light show shouldn't hold a band back from set change, it doesn't stop many bands from doing it, but it shouldn't stop the giant that is AC/DC from playing a few other songs during a tour. There's my rant of the year.
Haha! You said it dude. And by like 80 people who work with the lights and stuff, there shouldnīt really be a problem to change the set. I think AC/DC got bit by a perfection virus or some sort of that. I approve this rant of the year with my heart.
Brian's argument basically amounts to "We Supersized and Genericized our McShow to be palatable to even the least discerning concert-goer, so fuck you!" Would you like some fries with that?
AC/DC has indeed become a "cashseekers" like I've said before, but why do you keep relating (right word?) that to the set-list?? boothjorden, you live in the US, according to your profile. AC/DC won't play there anymore, why is it a big deal for you? Sure, I'd love them to play other songs, but it's just the way it is. Guys, you ARE right, but I'm getting pretty tired of entering this forum and all I see is a bunch of kids crying because they didn't play his favorite song in Bulgaria or Romania....
matirocker, I'm seeing them at Donington next month so it matters somewhat.
I am seeing them also. But I donīt care if they play my fav songs or not. I only want a sign that the boys still care about the material they have written for all there albums.
I want a sign too, a big one that has the Powerage album cover on it and in bold letters says "Remember?" and I will carry it around Donington Park.
You should totally manage your way to the first row with it
Hey, that's a good idea. All i was manage to think was carrying a placard with a big middle finger drown :P "AC/DC has indeed become a "cashseekers" like I've said before, but why do you keep relating (right word?) that to the set-list??" Apparently my lessons to mati are paying off.I'm glad :) :P Anyway, i suggest since they are not going to bother doing anything, just leave them in piece to finish whatever they are finishing. P.S. I would really have preferred to see them without any light show if they could do some other songs.
Hey booth,remember when we were messaging on youtube and we said something like we should make signs with the Flick Of The Switch,Fly On The Wall, and Blow Up Your Video album covers with Remember Us? Written on them,that would be like a huge middle finger. I think they'd notice it,lol I also remember us saying something like getting everyone to chant "Let Me Cut Your Cake With My Knife!" (I was nitroass23 on youtube F.Y.I.)
"all I see is a bunch of kids crying because they didn't play his favorite song in Bulgaria or Romania...." Well then, you need to work on your perception, my friend. This is not a bunch of kids whining, "Why didn't you play my favorite song?" It is a bunch of adults who have listened to AC/DC since they were kids and have grown up and loved them for all their albums, not just their "Hits" and their "Singles", whatever those may be... In much the same way fans at a WWE event go nuts when Vince pulls wrestlers and revives storylines from the 60s, 70s, 80s (and at this point, even the 90s) into the ring, we too would like to see AC/DC acknowledge their history, their past mistakes, their past greatness, etc live. Basically, what we're left with is, "What the hell did I buy all those albums for multiple times over (Vinyl, Cassette, CD) when the band don't even think the songs are good enough to play live?" and "If this is AC/DC at the end of the road, it's a pretty sad, mechanical, McTrip, isn't it?" To say we feel violated and/or disappointed at this stage is an understatement. It's as if everything we loved about AC/DC - wit, creativity, spontaneity, danger - has been replaced by this parody of a band opening with a parody of a show-opener (Runaway Train) and a 6 million dollar piece of shit... How many AC/DC roadies does it take to plug in a light bulb? Fuck you!
booth,Patrick: If you are going to watch them, the it's completly fine that you complain. If some people don't, then that's what pisses me ("some people" not referering to anyone, honest) BTW, that signs ideas are brilliant, I would love to see the face on them is they get to see it (remember the crowd is moving all the time and are dark aswell, but I hope you can make it) RnRDamnation: I see what you mean, but I wasn't calling you kids, it was the way I felt when I entered this site. But now that you explained it a lot better, I agree, specially the buying albums part But remember, except in the WMW tour, the BUYV tour and the TRE tour, they never played songs from recent albums, like Flick Of the switch, fly on the wall, blow up your video, etcetera,
If i were to go (as i've said, i bought my ticket but will not go) and if AC/DC interest me as a band(which at this point ain't) then i would have made a sign.The problem again would be that, well, i go crazy in shows and i would probably have started a riot down there.Remember, a pit started at AC/DC in Greece and Brian was looking, saying"what are these crazy bastards doing?....Ah..Fuck em!" :P Anyway, the riot would have started because i wouldn't have held the finger sign but a big sign saying "AC$DC". Anyway at this point, and to get serious, i suggest just go and see them if you really want.If you go with a bad mood, thinking "ah, i will see the same setlist etc" then don't go. I suggest you rock hard and get into the bad mood again,after the show.Otherwise there is no point to go. BrianJohnson888 what do you mean?
Sap, I would laugh my ass off if they changed the set just for your show! Anyway, I think RNRDamnation said it very well. And Boothjorden, if you don't do that sign idea, I will find your house and smack you in the face! That is the best idea since sliced bread!
I to think the sign idea would be awesome. Maybe we could start a new thread about ideas for the sign (If it's going to happen).
Im 16 and saw my first acdc show in feb. ive been a fan for about 8 odd years now and have all their albums. to see them live in stage was fricken awesome, and i can understand what brian says about fans to 'get screwed' when talking about changing the set. i understand how it feels as you die-hards for years want a new set. i know its hard, but thats just how i feel about it. acdc forever \m/
bla bla bla... Dudes, they're too old to change the set. Amnesia prevents them from playing LTBR without fucking it up. At this point in time they don't need to do that. We are all lucky that they still even play. Sure i'd love to hear Deep In The Hole live but you know what, it's not gonna happen, and at the end of the day AC/DC will remain my favorite band anyhow. And probably each and all of you guys too. Crying and complaining in forums won't change shit. So... bla bla bla...
Nobody's too old to change the set list, as I said, band's older then them do it.
Pack of whingers, boo hoo hoo. Get a grip. If ya don't like it don't go to the gigs. We are lucky the band is still touring. The same people moaning on every thread, it's getting boring.
NervousShakedown: thank god you said it. I agree with you 100% that I'm sick of seeing these "fans" bitching about the stage show when they aren't going to see them again because of it. I'm glad you guys keep complaining about it because that means thats one ticket not going to you guys who are just gonna go and bitch the entire show but its going to some kid or old person who hasn't seen AC/DC yet and doesn't care that the setlist hasn't changed in two years.
Anyway.I'm also sick of people that are to stubborn and like to get screwed by Sony.Cheers to you also. And that is that.The shit end now, at least for me.The set is what it is.The band proven what they have proven for both sides.Finally the tour is ending so i suggest we can happily ignore each other. I hope this is the last "hate thread".They may (the band) have made me see them like pathetic old punks in this two sort years but i'm seeing something rising powerish coming on this site that i really hate. So PLEASE people on both sides stop.At least enough for the setlist and the hatred of each other,alright?PEACE. My final words is that the sign idea is a good one but i'm convinced that noone will bother doing that. P.S. I suggest mailing to Nate to close new threads that provoke people to start fighting.It's ok to have a thread telling "setlist not changed in blablah town" but a thread telling "Light Show My Ass", from now on will get instant mailing for deletion.
Hooray, peace and order will be brought to this proud website
The setlist has seen some minor changes. I'm actually glad the set isn't being changed as much as it was in 91, cause the DVD/CD we get from this tour will be much more representative of the tour as a whole. How many songs are on the Live 2CD album that weren't done at Donington and vice versa. Sure, I like variety as much as the next guy, but when you are touring to support an album, it is basically an unwritten rule that you are to do tracks from that album, and tracks that the fans want to hear, and tracks that you are best known for. If you want to know something, I doubt we'd agree on what would make the ultimate setlist (that would still be within 20 songs). We are not gonna get AC/DC to be like the Eagles, and perform for three hours, and we are not gonna get AC/DC to do like they did in 2003. 03 was a short tour they did because The Stones asked them (and Angus and Malcolm love the Stones, check the infamous Dave Evans bootleg). I actually think that a lot of the people who are bashing the setlist don't realize that a band must sell the album in a tour (hence Rock N Roll Train being the opening number, like Stiff Upper Lip, or Thunderstruck. The Ballbreaker tour was more spontaneous due to Phil being back.) AC/DC don't have to sell the old albums, they've already made money off them more than once.
Yeah,I'm starting to feel a Rising Power vibe... I really don't want Nate's fine site to come that, Back to mutual disagreements please,lol For the record, I don't hate any of you, -Cheers
I don't think anybody hates anybody here. It would be nice if we could all get together and have a beer.But for our US AC/DC brothers,it's a long long way to go. Anyway you should probably have hated me because i dress trendy(D&g,squared etc) and i would have taken you to a summer club and not a rock one :P ...Ah but i have connections, so you could have met a lot of pretty girls ;)
Sap.... You've lost me man,lol I've got no idea what you're driving at
I'm trying to hook you up with Greek girls. You, know.With the economic crisis in Greece you could easily buy a girl or two and bring them to US :P Btw Greek girls are the hardest to get.Even if they like you and you go to talk to them they may disregard you :(
Dean said "at the end of the day AC/DC will remain my favorite band anyhow. And probably each and all of you guys too." Actually, after all this BS, I stopped listening to AC/DC for a while and have really gotten into Maiden since, because they're a band who CARES ABOUT THEIR FANS. Maiden played their newest album in it's entirety live, then shortly after did a tour playing their '80s era stuff (including some obscure tunes). They also have released DVDs for many of their tours, and do NOT flat out ignore any era unlike AC/DC.
And just as I thought we had peace, someone had to start comparing them to another band. They aren't the same as maiden, kiss, or any other band. GET OVER IT!!! Peace (Hopefully)
I've been on this site a few weeks and I've always tried to shy away from this argument. However, since it seems peace is being called, I thought it was finally safe for me to give my opinion. This is not directed toward anyone personally. It's just how I feel. The idea of AC/DC as cash-seeking sell-outs who don't care about their fans seems ridiculous to me. If we want to get technical, we should consider every band who releases a live album as sell-outs and cash-seekers. Think about it: a live album contains tracks that have already been released on studio albums. Plus, people pay good money to see a band live in concert, so what is the point of buying a live album containing songs you already heard. By this viewpoint, pretty much all bands are cash-seeking sell-outs: AC/DC, Iron Maiden, Kiss, and even Nirvana, the ultimate anti-establishment band according to popular opinion. Of course, releasing a live album doesn't make you a sell-out, just as keeping a very consistent setlist doesn't make you a sell-out. As for the boxsets, isn't the idea of a band to get as many people to hear and appreciate your music as possible. That's what these releases are intended to do. AC/DC does appreciate their hardcore fans, but they also want to introduce their music to newer fans as well. All bands do. And as much as everyone on this site loves Flick of the Switch, Fly on the Wall, Ballbreaker, etc. (AKA the "forgotten" albums), I think we can all agree that those probably aren't the best albums to use to get new fans into AC/DC. They are raw albums that the band made even as the music scene was changing. Why? Because they ARE NOT SELL-OUTS. They stuck to their roots and continue to release the same kick-ass, no frills rock n' roll that we all love. That being said, songs like Back in Black, Thunderstruck, and Highway to Hell are great songs too and are good introductions to the band's music, which is why they and other "hits" appear on these boxsets. Basically, the decisions being made by the band right now are reflective of a band nearing the end of their career. They want to leave as big an impression as possible with their product (i.e. their music). That's why they reissued their albums a few years ago. That's why they keep releasing these boxsets. And that's why they keep extending the Black Ice tour. Because they want to keep going as long as possible. Because they want their music to be heard by all fans, both hardcore and new. Because they CARE ABOUT THEIR FANS. So people, please stop arguing. Just sit back, relax, and enjoy the greatest rock band in the world while you can.
lightningstruck: spoken like a true fan who knows his stuff. You got a lot of respect from me saying that. Although it might not be all that good lol. Agree with you all the way with everything you said.
lightninsdtruck: Totally the right points spoken. Well I am going to see them. I am totally looking positive forward to the concert on saturday. Maybe I did a bit overreacted there. And maybe if they are going to make another album, they maybe are also going to play one or two classics like Sin City or Have a drink on me.
I was never actually complaining I was just stating a series of facts and ranting on how things could have been done. I love the band and always will, the set list isn't keeping me from that either. I will see them either way. My opinion on the set itself isn't as heated as it was a few months ago. I'm not trying to pick fights with you guys, I respect all of you and will treat all of you as a friend.
I would also have seen them but i show them 2 times on this tour and i really can't see the same thing again + i'm running low on cash. I believe it's an opportunity for people that did not have the chance to see them to do so (Bulgaria and Romania was not on the 1st leg and also Milan-Italy show was on a closed theater). Having said that i still believe that they should have changed the setlist but i won't argue on that again. Look the thing is that if they really would like to present their material to new fans then they did it very sloppy. The boxset was very expensive so this is not for the average fan. What's the use of different color cd's with EXACTLY the same stuff? Why Iron Man 2 was called a sountrack? Anyway i still believe that getting to Sony was the worst thing it could ever happen but on the other side everyone here knows AC/DC when 3 years ago they didn't know nothing about them. Again i respect both sides of this argument, i think both sides have a point in their perspective and i don't think that there is anything wrong with CONSTRUCTIVE dialog.As we are having today.But i will stand on my opinion that they should retire after this tour. Cheers.
I'm 14,and I actually knew them before 3 years ago,I remember waiting for a new album to be announced. Dirty Deeds was my first album not Black Ice,Been into them since 6th grade. Not that it matters,but figured I'd say so anyways